. >> that's all the more reason why he has to use the bully pulpit to educate the country on a holistic approach. he has to get out of the white house more. he should take a train and go around the country and talk to people about all of these issues so you can mobilize public sentiment. as lincoln said, without it nothing can happen. and that's the goal of the second term. >> i think the gun question, though is almost less a matter of presidential leadership and more cultural leadership from people like tom and like me. we are the only two gun owners here. david, the pen. but if you're a moderate, if you're a quail hunter or dove hunter, you have to get into this and say, look, assault weapons are not what this is about. as president clinton said, he had never known anyone that needed an assault weapon to kill a deer. and this is a case where if people, if this is not an organic movement from the country, it's not going to work. it can't come from top down. >> i want to inject the larger political point. we have mid-term elections coming up in two years. he's talking about immigration.